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Scopene - Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:01 am
Post subject: Flag issues, and more.

Hi and apologies if this is somewhat a "newb" question, I've only just started using ASSS and it's taking quite some getting used to.

1) Flags do not show up, I've read some other topics about flags on these forums and tried the advice which was given but they still won't show up.

arena.conf:

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; drop in all of svs settings here
#include conf/svs/svs.conf

; but override these particular ones
[Warbird]
XRadarStatus=0

[Javelin]
AntiWarpStatus=0

[Leviathan]
StealthStatus=0

[Bomb]
BombDamageLevel=7500

[ General ]
Map = fz3.lvl
; LevelFiles = b1.lvz, b2.lvz

[ Misc ]
SeeEnergy = $SEE_TEAM
SpecSeeEnergy = $SEE_ALL

[ Modules ]
; this key holds the names of the modules that will take effect in this
; arena. typical things to put here are modules for scoring, special
; game types, flag guards, etc.
AttachModules =
fg_wz \
fm_normal \
points_kill \
points_flag \
points_goal \
buy

; separate out settings for flags and balls into separate files
#include flags.conf

#include balls.conf

flags.conf:

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[Flag]

; client-side stuff
FlaggerOnRadar=1
FlaggerKillMultiplier=2
FlaggerGunUpgrade=1
FlaggerBombUpgrade=1
FlaggerFireCostPercent=1000
FlaggerDamagePercent=1000
FlaggerBombFireDelay=0
FlaggerSpeedAdjustment=0
FlaggerThrustAdjustment=0
CarryFlags=1
FlagDropDelay=3000
FlagDropResetReward=0
EnterGameFlaggingDelay=100
FlagBlankDelay=200
NoDataFlagDropDelay=500

; new server settings

GameType = $FLAGGAME_BASIC
FlagCount = 20

FlagReward=15000
SplitPoints=0

ResetDelay=2000
FriendlyTransfer=1

SpawnX =
SpawnY =
SpawnRadius = 160

DropRadius = 1
NeutRadius = 2

DropOwned = 1
NeutOwned = 0

modules.conf:

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; not on windows: unixsignal
deadlock

prng
logman
log_console
mainloop
config
log_file
playerdata
lagdata

bw_default
net
chatnet

arenaman
mapdata
capman
mapnewsdl
core
clientset
scoring:persist
idle

cmdman
; obscene
chat

scoring:stats
scoring:basicstats

log_sysop
log_staff

;; enable this for password security without a billing server:
auth_file

security:security
; directory
; billing
;; if you're using a billing server, you'll probably want to use this:
; billing_ssc

; funky:auth_prefix
;; enable this for ?kick:
auth_ban

banners
game_timer
flagcore
balls
bricks
koth
fm_normal
game

lagaction

cfghelp
filetrans
quickfix

; scoring:jackpot
; scoring:periodic
; scoring:points_kill
; scoring:points_flag
; scoring:points_goal

; turf:turf_reward
; turf:turf_stats
; turf:points_turf_reward

playercmd
admincmd
help
notify
sendfile

funky:autowarp
funky:brickwriter
buy

fake
funky:autoturret
funky:record
;; adds compatibility for a bunch of subgame commands:
; funky:sgcompat

;; uncomment this for multiple pub arena support:
; ap_multipub

;; important: enc_null cannot coexist with either of the other
;; encryption modules! comment it out to use them.
; enc_null
security:enc_cont
enc_vie

;; alias database stuff:
; database:mysql
; database:aliasdb

;; python modules:
;; pymod must be loaded before any "<py>" modules.
; pymod:pymod
; <py> fm_password
; <py> exec
; <py> fg_wz
; <py> fg_turf

2) Greeting message does not show up upon entering the arena.

3) You are not rewarded points upon scoring a goal.

balls.conf:

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[Soccer]

; client settings
BallBounce=1
AllowBombs=1
AllowGuns=1
PassDelay=20
Mode=0
BallBlankDelay=200
UseFlagger=1
BallLocation=1

; server settings
BallCount=2
SendTime=500

; Reward=1000
; CapturePoints=0
; CatchMinimum=12
; CatchPoints=0
; WinBy=0

SpawnX =
SpawnY =
SpawnRadius = 160

Thank you.

Dr Brain - Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:06 am
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1.) You've setup arena.conf to attach fg_wz, but you still need to load fg_wz in modules.conf. That means you'll have to add pymod, too, since fg_wz is a python module.

2.) The greet message depends on the module messages. Add it to modules.conf near the end. It probably should be included by default, but whatever.

3.) Similar problem to 1, in that you've got points_goal set to attach to the arena, but have it commented out in modules.conf. Uncomment all of the scoring:* modules, and you should be fine.

Anonymous - Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:39 pm
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Dr Brain wrote:

Out of curiosity, are python modules the only way to use flags? Python is nice and everything, but it always bothered me when python was the only way to do something critical like set up flag games.

Hakaku - Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:43 pm
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Ani wrote:

Out of curiosity, are python modules the only way to use flags? Python is nice and everything, but it always bothered me when python was the only way to do something critical like set up flag games.

What's wrong if it's either Python or C that handle certain features? The only core modules in python that deal with flags are fg_wz (for warzone flagging), and fg_turf (turf flagging). On their own, they only provide the basic flagging type games found in Subgame.

If you want to write your own flagging module (whether complementary or a complete superset) in C or Python, then you're completely free to do that. You can check out the fg_wz.h and fg_turf.h header files, along with the flagcore.h file for full control over flags and events. You're in no one way forced to use one programming language over the other.

Cheese - Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:55 pm
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because its a pain in the ass to get python running, and its good that asss runs as standalone, because if it didnt, i wouldnt be running it

Animate Dreams - Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:40 pm
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Hakaku wrote:

[..]

What's wrong if it's either Python or C that handle certain features? The only core modules in python that deal with flags are fg_wz (for warzone flagging), and fg_turf (turf flagging). On their own, they only provide the basic flagging type games found in Subgame.

If you want to write your own flagging module (whether complementary or a complete superset) in C or Python, then you're completely free to do that. You can check out the fg_wz.h and fg_turf.h header files, along with the flagcore.h file for full control over flags and events. You're in no one way forced to use one programming language over the other.

Not everyone uses Python. Some people break their installs and can't repair them. The AS3 server compiles so that you don't have to install a C interpreter, but even though you can actually compile the Python modules I believe you still have the dependency on the Python interpreter. It's a difference in requiring a dependency... or not.
Since these modules are so closely tied to the core of subspace(though not the server itself) it only makes sense to keep the modules simple enough to run without any extra work. I'm not blaming anyone or calling anyone lazy, I was asking if there was a way to do the same thing with the core modules. There's no reason to go on the offensive.

Hakaku - Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:38 pm
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Animate Dreams wrote:

I'm not on the offensive, I just think it's a poor argument when Python for Windows simply requires you to click on an installer and go. If you want to compile or run ASSS without Python, there's absolutely nothing stopping you. It will however require you to rewrite the current warzone and turf flag modules. Just take a look at how the python module works, then translate everything into valid C syntax.

As much as you want to complain about Python, I'm pretty sure no one will want to rewrite the modules in C for you, simply because those who need and use it already have Python on their systems. And that's essentially my point.

Dr Brain - Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:49 pm
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Animate Dreams wrote:

I'm not blaming anyone or calling anyone lazy, I was asking if there was a way to do the same thing with the core modules. There's no reason to go on the offensive.

You may not be blaming anyone or calling them lazy, but I *will* call you lazy for not taking the time to get python working. It'll take about 1/10th the time to get python working as it will to convert the python modules to C (and that won't take long).

I there is a movement toward having more written in python, and you'll save yourself time and effort if you get it working. Before too long, that optional dependency will become a required dependency.

Bak - Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:06 pm
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1/10th the time to do the one-time conversion means that, after 10 people install asss, work-hours are being saved. unfortunately everyone runs a greedy algorithm and therefore we're stuck in this local minimum.</nerdy>

Cheese - Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:01 am
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i started the conversion, i almost finished one of them, then got sidetracked.
sorry.

all it takes is one person to rewrite it, and everyone wins...

D1st0rt - Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:49 pm
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All it takes is installing Python, and everyone wins.

I used to have a very strong dislike for Python, but the more I use it the more I see its value. Pymod is also a lot more powerful now than it was in years past. For a lot of tasks, it will cut down not only turnaround time but the learning curve as well.