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kirby145 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:38 pm
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[Resolved] Thank you Rudy and the forum for helping me get an unban.
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I know that this may not be the correct place to put this. But don't ban me from here too right now. I just want to say what has happened lately and how my banning netban from ssc was wrongful.

I was playing at trenchwars for about 99% of the time in ssc. I was playing one day and playing a practice game of hockey. I got off and then got back on to recieve the message:

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You are banned from SSC network till 2007-12-09 9:10 GMT+0 BanId #2099...

I then sent a ban dispute form questioning why I was banned. I had no idea. Then I found out it was for "cheating." This made no sense so i updated the ban form saying i was sure i did not cheat. However the reply was similar to- Mods of SSC saw you do stuff that is impossible to do with out cheating.

I can not believe this. I did not vommit these crimes. I do not know specifically what I am accused of. So here I find a decription of cheating from SSC Network Ban Policy.

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Cheating - Performing any action that an unmodified client is
incapable of performing. Developing, distributing, or promoting
cheat software. Minimal 90 day net ban for first offence.

And I am absolutely sure i did not modify the client, use any software, or cheat at all. i did not cheat or be rude ingame either. Yet i still remain banned here for 1 year.

Is this fair? To be banned for a year for something you did not do and without a specific example? That is what i ask you.

All i want is to be unbanned someday and for people to understand i tell the truth.

And if you do not like the presence of my topic here, do not ban me. simply review it and decide what it means. move it or lock it if you must. i want someone to understand me.

thank you,
kirby145

Maverick - Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:48 pm
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http://forums.sscentral.com/index.php?showtopic=10805 wrote:

If you are banned by a network ban (this means you are unable to enter all SSCx zones) please click on the link given below. Be sure to fill in all of the fields. If you do not properly complete the form your request may not be reviewed.

Network Ban Form

CypherJF - Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:51 pm
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Perhaps you're just caught up in someone elses ban as well, it happens.

kirby145 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:56 pm
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I already explained that i filed an SSC ban dispute form but the response was:

Mods said you were doing things impossible without cheating.

This IS NOT true. I just explained that. and so i am saying how the ban dispute is not going well

The Apache - Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:28 pm
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i'd just wait out the year ban. you aren't going to get anywhere by filling out pointless fucking forms and moaning that you didn't do anything wrong.

Maverick - Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:14 pm
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You are on a dead track if your dispute got denied. Your only chance is to contact the one who banned you from TW.
This forum won't help you anyhow.

Blocks - Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:46 pm
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Maverick wrote:

This forum won't help you anyhow.

Agreed. This forum is full of people who know how to do things, who, in a cruel twist of fate, are not the people who run things.

SyrusMX - Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:13 pm
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Wrong, this forum is filled with people who don't care. However, the people who run the game don't care either, so it's a loose loose situation.

BDwinsAlt - Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:20 pm
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#2099 access:2 by Rudy 2006-12-09 03:10 days:365 *.*.*.*:8 mid:********* kirby145
for illegal weapons. Greened proximity in elim. Impossible.

Smong - Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:24 pm
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What if someone prized him prox?

kirby145 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:38 pm
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#2099 access:2 by Rudy 2006-12-09 03:10 days:365 *.*.*.*:8 mid:********* kirby145
for illegal weapons. Greened proximity in elim. Impossible.

Thank you fo this information. Even in a world where there's people who don't give this BDWinsAlt has been the most helpful to me.

Now that i know what i am accused of there needs to be some sort of solution or explanation for this. I can say it is possibly a game glitch or error, seeing as the clients are "prereleases." I 100% guarantee i did not modify client or use any other program. Client glitch is my suspicion. By the way what's a proxinty? People always said "prox..."

My only guess is a glitch. if anyone has an explanation to solve this such as

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What if someone prized him prox?

I would be most grateful. and thank you to the people who have helped so far.

kirby145 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:40 pm
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Also, could it have been a glitch in the previous version 37.x+ because i got it packed with the download for some reason

Mine GO BOOM - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:43 pm
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Smong wrote:

What if someone prized him prox?

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Serv. Error: (null) (#kj76gf4s): Illegal green: Proximity (kirby145)(106831xxxx)(66.248.xx.xx)(sec=3452)

Having been a while since I've run subgame, illegal green warning occurs when he shoots a weapon with proximity and prox=0/buyprox=0, or does it occur when someone picks up the green? The #kj76gf4s threw me off for a weird tick, as I don't remember what that spot (or the null one) usually displays.

I looked into if the subarena is incorrectly setup and allowed saved ships (ie: go to arena with prox, change arenas from safety zone, boom, fully loaded shit with illegal stuff). But the main arena and elim are both setup correctly.

I can say that it isn't a client glitch. It being "prerelease" does not mean buggy, it means that the coder fixed a previous bug, and sent it out for testing to zone owners. He then got a very involved deal going with Skype, and lost interest with Continuum. So, it has been that same version for the past, what 2 years now?

kirby145 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:46 pm
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I don't really understand what that code means but thanks for your discussion and information!

CypherJF - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:48 pm
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I think had he shot the weapon it would have said Illegal Weapon not Green.

kirby145 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:48 pm
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I can say that it isn't a client glitch. It being "prerelease" does not mean buggy, it means that the coder fixed a previous bug, and sent it out for testing to zone owners. He then got a very involved deal going with Skype, and lost interest with Continuum. So, it has been that same version for the past, what 2 years now?

O.O Then what is it? This is so frustrating but thank you for helping i really need help right now

Mine GO BOOM - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:49 pm
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Any reason why you are posting from a computer not even linked with the one you got banned from? Colorado and North Carolina are not exactly that close to each other.

kirby145 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:51 pm
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Any reason why you are posting from a computer not even linked with the one you got banned from? Colorado and North Carolina are not exactly that close to each other.

it may be my dialup isp peoplepc online they automaticly change access numbers and may have several locations, im guessing.

kirby145 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:55 pm
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could it possibly a dialup/data tranfer glitch then. i don't know what it could be but i can guess

Mine GO BOOM - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:55 pm
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Unless you are dialing 1800 numbers of it, going from a 66.248.0.0/17 block to a 4.0.0.0/8 block is a huge change. Both of those IP numbers fall under different companies, but PeoplePC could just be renting IPs from under them.

Any other aliases you've used in an SSC zone in the past month?

EDIT: It isn't a dialup/transfer glitch. Each packet is encrypted and has a built in checksum. UDP packets are also checksummed. Having all three of those get corrupted and to produce a valid packet is extremely rare (ie: 1 out of 10^200 type rare).

kirby145 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:57 pm
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Any other aliases you've used in an SSC zone in the past month?

kirby145 is my only account.

kirby145 - Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:58 pm
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ok, seeing as i don't have explanation, can you answer:

What are the only possible ways this could have happened...?

Edit: more guesses
1. excessive cpu usage
edit edit: i listen to music while i play sometimes
a. in-computer errors
2. virus
3.corrupt d-load

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:04 am
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Have any friends that know your password? Have any friends that may have access to your computer and play Continuum and wanted to play a joke under your name?

From what I've gotten from those that saw the warnings and the person who banned you, while in the subarena elim in Trench Wars, you ran over a green and got the proximity (prox for short) prize. This causes your bombs to explode near an enemy and not just through a direct hit. Almost all non-one-shot-kill zones use prox with their bombs.

Since it was greened, your client sends out a "I just picked up a proximity green" packet to the server. It normally would forward to others, saying that prize was picked up (and in some zones, your teammates would also get the prize). But in this case, the zone saw that the setting to get a proximity green is disabled. Which means that no prizes should ever be that one. So it sends out a sysop warning to all online staff members saying "this guy is probably cheating, he just got a prize that is impossible to green." Staff sees that, and bans you.

kirby145 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:09 am
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Have any friends that know your password? Have any friends that may have access to your computer and play Continuum and wanted to play a joke under your name?

no i keep it tight and secure

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From what I've gotten from those that saw the warnings and the person who banned you, while in the subarena elim in Trench Wars, you ran over a green and got the proximity (prox for short) prize. This causes your bombs to explode near an enemy and not just through a direct hit. Almost all non-one-shot-kill zones use prox with their bombs.

Since it was greened, your client sends out a "I just picked up a proximity green" packet to the server. It normally would forward to others, saying that prize was picked up (and in some zones, your teammates would also get the prize). But in this case, the zone saw that the setting to get a proximity green is disabled. Which means that no prizes should ever be that one. So it sends out a sysop warning to all online staff members saying "this guy is probably cheating, he just got a prize that is impossible to green." Staff sees that, and bans you.

Another good data and explanation.

Yet

Why is this happening to me?????

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:11 am
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kirby145 wrote:

1. excessive cpu usage
a. in-computer errors
2. virus
3.corrupt d-load

Processor usage doesn't matter. Continuum usually attempts to eat as much processor power as you have available. If your processor is not giving it much, your frame rate goes down, which makes the game hop around. But, all physics/packets are not effected by this, only graphics. If it stays around too much, you'll lag out of the game, because your computer cannot respond fast enough. But it wouldn't cause corruption of data.

Viruses that would ever target Continuum would just steal your account name. There have never been any that do anything else. If a generic virus infects Continuum, Continuum wouldn't run in the first place, as it has self checks to prevent users for modifying it. So it wouldn't be that.

Corrupt download is the same as virus. Self-checks wouldn't let it run, but if it did, it would display on the server as a checksum error, not a weird green error.

The only accidental way I see for this happening is if you happened to lose a specific packet when entering the arena, and before that packet could be resent, you ran over a green. But, you'd need to be entering from a different subarena that did allow prox bombs. From what I gathered, there are not that many in Trench Wars as it is. This is techinically possible, but with you on dial-up, even under heavy lag, you would only have a one second window at most to do this. And to lose a specific packet, to come from a rare subarena that allows prox bombs, all while an elimination event is not currently running, is rare, but possible.

kirby145 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:12 am
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kirby145 wrote:

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Have any friends that know your password? Have any friends that may have access to your computer and play Continuum and wanted to play a joke under your name?

no i keep it tight and secure

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Another good data and explanation. i really wish my long awaited bang dispute form could have been so awesome and informative. all i got was a one sentece we are right explanation.

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Why is this happening to me?????

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The only accidental way I see for this happening is if you happened to lose a specific packet when entering the arena, and before that packet could be resent, you ran over a green. But, you'd need to be entering from a different subarena that did allow prox bombs. From what I gathered, there are not that many in Trench Wars as it is. This is techinically possible, but with you on dial-up, even under heavy lag, you would only have a one second window at most to do this. And to lose a specific packet, to come from a rare subarena that allows prox bombs, all while an elimination event is not currently running, is rare, but possible.

OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you know any prox-subarenas could you tell me and i will say if i have ever played in one. i will list some subs i played too.

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:17 am
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Only two that the staff told me was Thorlob and zone66.

kirby145 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:18 am
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Sub arenas: Trenchwars
(here are some not all that i have played in i cant remember)

hockey
blasterball(or whatever it was called
elim
infection
mario
disco
warp
turretwars

i played many hunt sub-arenas. i played many fun game sub arenas. many sub arenas with a warphole in the middle.

kirby145 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:19 am
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Only two that the staff told me was Thorlob and zone66.

i have not played either.

therefore the solution to this problem may be undefined and i may never be able to figure it out

kirby145 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:22 am
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as far as cpu, i have dual cpu and hyperthreading/ multithreading. i would be running winamp and continuum at same time and it still ran
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Even if it is not able to be humanly found or something, there must be a reason for error here. Finding it is my only way to get back in

edit: i apologise for my excessive posting.

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:31 am
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kirby145 wrote:

Finding it is my only way to get back in

edit: i apologise for my excessive posting.

The posting is fine. Though, if you are adding more to the thread, it is generally nicer to edit your last post if no one else has posted yet, so instead of two posts in a row, it is just one larger one.

As for finding a way.. I'm sorry, but all the information found now is pointing to you picking up a prize that you should not have. The best you can do is ask to have it lowered, such as to the minimum 90 day ban, as it is your first offense. I have no authority for dealing with network bans or local bans.

kirby145 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:42 am
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I have added to my appeal how fellow continuum players have helped me, our analysis leads only to a rare event, that it was unintentional and a first offence, i am honest, and that it should be lowered. a miniumum of 90 days.
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Thank you for your help, i was glad to know what happened and how things work. And I hope that the appeal will be reviewed (again) and all goes well.

If it is lowered for any reason at any time, I got to say I would owe it to you guys. hopefully all will turn out well

regards,
-kirby145

Bak - Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:08 am
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watch it be something silly like a mod was changing the settings and turned off prox, but you picked it up before the greens recycled, thus picking one up from the earlier settings.

Witchie NL - Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:52 am
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It happens alot that people get a certain green while that green shouldnt be posible to get.
Ive seen it happen in SSCC Desert Storm alot. Didnt happen any time lately. But i remember seeing the error.

Doc Flabby - Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:08 am
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Just to make one point i think, greening prox in TW does not really give you any advantage...only 3 ships have bombs...I think you should make the point if you were trying to cheat you would have greened super or shields.

Its possible there are still bugs in the continuum code.

The Apache - Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:32 am
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as i said, what's the point in protesting agaisnt the person who banned you? he most likely won't give a shit.

but yeah, goodluck kirby.

kirby145 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:35 pm
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Well i think the person who banned me was rudy? and bang op who's talking with me there's only two bang ops, SVS and kewlair. As you might imagine the ban form is really slow and it took 1 week to get my first reply

Mine GO BOOM - Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:45 pm
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Rudy is the name of the person who applied the ban, or at least made it for the network ban. SVS is the network ban administrator, as it he is the one that governs other's bans to make sure they don't ban someone for no reason.

Think of it like getting a police ticket for speeding. You can't really argue directly with the officer, you instead go to a judge (in this case, SVS) and argue your case there. The police generally apply the largest ticket possible, and the judge chooses to lower the ticket.

If you check out Trench War's website, they might have something to be able to contact someone in there about your ban, or to be able to contact Rudy yourself.

kirby145 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:47 pm
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i'm using the form for bangop admin review. it's waitng for them to look at it

Anonymous - Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:11 am
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Well, I'm at a loss as to how you managed to do it without any knowledge you'd done it. That was the first such illegal prox green error I'd ever seen the server spew out in all my time staffing. Several other highmods and smods witnessed it and I pretty much kicked you out instantly once being in elim could not account for a proximity prize.
Rather than endure the pain of SVS further busting my chops over this, I suppose it can be swept under the carpet. Usually those who have been caught with their pants around their ankles fucking with the client aren't so brash about arguing the point, rather than trying to minimise their enforced vacation from the game. I suppose I'm just supposed to chalk this one up as another X-file case.
If it is to be removed, it doesn't necessarily mean I want be watching you while you sleep. I don't trust any cunt when it comes to these matters, having been duped on more than one occasion by shady characters.

regards
Rudy

kirby145 - Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:43 am
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THANK YOU Rudy for your review of my ban and cooming here to post. thank you all for helping me through this, as for the current time my ban is released.

You were all very helpful and i am grateful for all you have done for me

-kirby145

Maverick - Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:53 am
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End good all good

It seems like talking about netbans on a forum is more effective then the whole netban dispute ticket system imo.

Doc Flabby - Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:12 am
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i think it depends on how someone gets banned..this was an unusual case...

BDwinsAlt - Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:45 pm
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Maybe svs didn't handle this ban so someone actually looked at it.