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newb - Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:56 pm
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I have been having problems with my computer constantly restarting, but then not rebooting properly (So like, the computer is on, but the monitor turns off as if it was on standby). Takes a long time to get fixed, because I have to repeatedly press the restart button to get it working again.

Today, an actual error message came up:

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Warning! System was crashed by over-clocking. The host clock is temporalily set to default HW frequency.

Now, can someone explain to me what "over-clocking" is?

I have suspicions that this is caused by the voltage and high temperature. (?)

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CPU TEMP: 40c/104F
SYSTEM TEMP: 39c/102F
FAN1 SPEED: 4748 RPM - 4818 RPM
FAN1 SPEED: 0 RPM

Vcore: 1.69V
2.5V: 2:57V
3.3V: 3:44V
5V: 5.02V
12V: 12.36V

Thanks in advance to anyone that can help me.

Mr Ekted - Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:03 pm
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Temps and Voltages look fine. Makes sure all the fans in your case (cpu, video card, power supply, back of case, side of case, etc) are actually running. My computer restarted/shutdown several times this summer from excessive humidity. Took me a long time to figure this out.

Overclocking means to run your CPU at a faster clock speed than its nomimal value. For example, if you have a 2.4GHz cpu, you should be running it at 2.4GHz, but you can also run it much faster. It's slightly risky, and also increases the heat.

Dr Brain - Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:06 pm
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Could just be heat and humidity like Ekted said. Does it still have the problem on not-so-sticky days?

newb - Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:12 pm
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Yeah, it has problems now. Even in 20 celsius weather.

Ekted: How do you stop the machine from over-clocking then?

Well, either way, it restarted so much, I couldn't get onto the main desktop, so I had to use my recovery disk (unfortunatly, win98se) which is now not causing me any problems... yet.

Any ideas on to stop this happening in the future?

Cyan~Fire - Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:59 pm
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It kinda sounds like a harddisk problem, actually. Have you tried scandisk/chkdsk with every available option?

newb - Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:28 pm
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Yes.

Used chkdsk countless times, still no results. Same with the /F parameter added.

Restarted 2 times with the fresh OS. Sigh... what the hell is WRONG?

wEaViL - Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:03 am
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I had that problem but it came down to 2 different types for ddr pc2100 ram... one was a double layer chip and the other was a single layer... took 1 out and its been running fine

newb - Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:04 pm
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That still doesn't really help me, but thanks anyway wEaViL.

Cyan~Fire - Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:54 pm
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Try running it without ram?

But seriously, it has to either be HDD or RAM with those temps. There's just nothing else that would cause it to crash like that.

newb - Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:02 pm
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Is there anyway to fix this?

Btw, I have some new problems with 98se that I have never had before:

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Terminating thread due to a stack overflow problem. A VxD, possibly recently installed has consumed to much stack space. Increase the setting of 'MinSPs' in SYSTEM.INI or remove recently installed VxD's. There are currently 2 SPs allocated.

Can someone please tell me what a stack overflow is? And what a VxD is?

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There are no avaliable stack pages. It may be necessary to increase the setting of 'MinSPs' in SYSTEM.INI to prevent possible stacks faults. There are currently 3 SPs allocated.

What are SPs/MinSPs?

Thanks in advance.

Dr Brain - Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:33 pm
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Actually, I would guess that the CPU is broken. But I'd try replacing your ram before you go through the trouble of replacing a CPU.

If you've got another computer that uses the same memory type, you can swap their memory and see if the problem migrates with it. If it doesn't, then you know it's the CPU.

newb - Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:19 am
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Ah, I see. Well, my sister has the same ram (I think). But, i'd rather not go through the trouble of doing that (knowing me, i'll probably brake it), so I will use my sisters computer, take out my hdd from the current computer I'm using now, and put it in my sisters, in addition to hers.

And try and get someone down in town to put in my p3 into her motherboard (if it is compatiable) instead.

Better idea instead of swapping the rams around?

wEaViL - Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:58 am
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If her's is a p2 it probly wont work... but they should be able to tell you at the comp shop

Dr Brain - Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:39 am
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newb wrote:

Better idea instead of swapping the rams around?

Take this as an opportunity to upgrade your ram?

newb - Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:22 am
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Ok, how much would it usually cost around? Does it varie or what?

i88gerbils - Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:37 pm
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Did you try running Memtest86 to test RAM?

newb - Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:42 pm
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Well, I cannot even get onto my computer, due to boot failures and screwed up screens (flashing grey dos screens, with weird characters), and will not stop. I might try and reload 98se again, to try what i88gerbils suggested as well.

But anyway, thanks all for your help.

Anything else you may come up with to help, you just post here.

Smong - Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:03 pm
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If you have another computer with a cd burner you can download this and try it. Just don't unpack the .iso (with a lame archive utility) and copy the files, you need a tool that accepts an iso and makes a cd.
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

Cyan~Fire - Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:31 pm
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newb wrote:

Can someone please tell me what a stack overflow is? And what a VxD is?

Each program has a "stack" in RAM where it stores quick data like function parameters and variables. (An SP seems to just be an acronym for Stack Page, which is a section of memory devoted to a stack.) A VxD is a system driver (kind of like a low-level DLL).

I used to get stack overflows all the time on my Win98 laptop, actually. It usually happened when I pressed the "come out of standby" button too fast when I got aggrivated.

And Intel processors are really bad at fitting into other sockets, chances are it won't work. :-/ I still think it's a RAM/HDD problem because I don't see why a broken CPU would randomly do this and you said the boot disk worked OK (but it's not now?).

Smong - Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:38 pm
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Here's what ms has to say about a possible sp related error:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=149083

newb - Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:54 am
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Ah, I see Cyan. Thanks.

Well, I don't have anymore problems with my old computer, since I am running my sisters old computer instead now.

(and I'm running XP) But thanks alot though Smong.

My Dad will probably help me to install my old hdd, since I had some files on there I need. I just need to see if this computer has enough space for one more.