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Solid_Fire - Sat Aug 13, 2005 1:53 am
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Erm, im trying to learn how to configure zone bots, like create my own etc, but i dont know where i would start, im not sure if C++ is even part of making bots, can anyone give me some headers on how to, or atleast where to start? links, threads, anything would help and be greatly appreciated. thanks

50% Packetloss - Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:03 am
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Setting up a bot doesn't require programming knowledge. But if you wish to make your own plugins, then you need to know C++ for mervbot plugins.
http://catid.ssihosting.com

Also, there are other bot cores, so C++ isn't your only choice: you can learn Java if you wish.

I don't think you know what you are getting yourself into if you wish to learn how to program. C/C++ is not an easy thing to learn if you are completely computer illiterate. By the looks of your English, I would say you have little hope of mastering any language.

Purge - Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:07 am
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You should start with C++ before you get started with bots.

At least get into the basics and look at some MERVbot code, unless you want to try something different like TWCore, which requires knowledge of Java.

Edit: Had some time cooking up those links and 50% posted before me. Also, Grammar Queens like Sharl can turn into a computer programmer anyday. The key thing is devotion.

Solid_Fire - Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:15 am
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hey 50%, i'v tried learning C++, yes its hard...and what do you mean by this >

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By the looks of your English, I would say you have little hope of mastering any language.

..i dont understand what your trying to say..

And purge, thanks for the links. And 50%, thanks for your help too.

Mine GO BOOM - Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:48 am
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Way I learned to program: get someone else's code, and change things. Add little bonus features to someone else's bot, make your own !sheep like command or something, and figure out what all those compiler errors mean. They usually give you line numbers to get started at wondering why it doesn't compile.

Of course, this is also why Ekted hates my coding style, because it isn't one. Its just a random glob of whatever code I've been last working with. When playing with ASSS, my other projects began to look like it for a while too. So maybe my method of learning isn't the best. But hey, it worked.

Solid_Fire - Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:59 am
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Yea i was thinking of just taking a code, and modifing if to my style, But im not so sure yet.

50% Packetloss - Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:38 am
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For shit's sake, don't program anything until you learn the language. Pick up a book, take a class in college, or read online tutorials until you have a clear understanding of everything.

No one likes reading some script kiddy's code, and no one wants to help you when you can help yourself by just learning the language. MineGoBoom had prior computer language knowledge before he jumped into C -- analogy: he learned latin first then jumped right into English. You won't be able to do that and it's bad practice anyway.

Assassin2684 - Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:00 am
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Well im reading the C++ books for dummies. Its helping me out fine.

Mr Ekted - Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:44 am
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Mine GO BOOM wrote:

Of course, this is also why Ekted hates my coding style, because it isn't one.

I don't hate anything. I just like to light fires under people's asses to push them. Socratic Method baby. Making people defend themselves helps them to understand their own choices better, and possibly to change/improve. It also helps me improve by getting engaged in some technical dialog.

I always knew I disliked C++, but it didn't really occur to me why until I told someone and they fought back.

Mine GO BOOM - Sat Aug 13, 2005 1:05 pm
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50% Packetloss wrote:

MineGoBoom had prior computer language knowledge before he jumped into C

Actually, my prior knowledge was that I hacked up the Perl code for the old forums before, and learned Perl in the same mannor as I mentioned I learned C. Before that, playing around with other people's QBasic programs to learn that.

I do own two programming books (excluding any college text books, which are completely useless and I only bought to do homework). Perl 5 How-To: The Definitive Perl 5 Problem-Solver and Programming Microsoft Windows CE by Douglas Boling, first edition that I cannot find anywhere. The first one was great as a referance for doing things such as sorting, file/directory manipulation, and all the other little tricks in Perl. The second was exactly what I needed to start doing random Windows GUI and more specifically, for Windows CE (newer releases are know as Pocket PC). Beyond that, everything I've picked up has been editing and reading other people's source code.

Cyan~Fire - Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:53 pm
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Well, you're still cooler.

Solid_Fire - Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:39 pm
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For shit's sake, don't program anything until you learn the language. Pick up a book, take a class in college, or read online tutorials until you have a clear understanding of everything.

First of all. im only 15, i cant take a class in college. 2) I am reading some tutorials online, 3) You dont have to be such an ass, when all im asking for is help.

Purge - Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:46 pm
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Hey! I'm also 15.

Solid_Fire - Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:55 pm
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Purge, you also know more about SS/Cont. then me lol...

50% Packetloss - Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:03 pm
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There aren't age limits on college classes, just go to a community college and enroll. At 15 you should be in high school, there are probably computer classes that you can enroll in there.

Bak - Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:54 pm
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Some high schools offer partnerships with local community colleges that will let you take classes for free or for high school credit. Ask your guidence counceler to be sure.

Solid_Fire - Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:22 pm
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I am in HS, I Have Taken a computer class, which we learned HTML, and web design. This year, i have to take online school. Which im not sure if im able to, but i will look into it. And Bak, i will talk with my counceler.

Purge - Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:42 pm
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Yeah, here in NYC I enrolled in some college classes in the City University of New York (CUNY). I took A+ Certification courses in hardware/software, which helps me more than reading a book. Then I took the A+ Exam and passed.

By the way, my high school sucks. I can't take any computer classes until my senior year, which I get to choose it from the electives.

xsp0rtsfanx - Sat Aug 13, 2005 11:24 pm
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lol my school is just as retarded.. i cant take "computer science ap" which i think you'd learn java because i'm not past algebra 2 yet... (i'm 16 btw) so i'd have to wait til next year.. otherwise i'll just self-teach myself or something.

D1st0rt - Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:22 am
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You should probably take an intro cs class before going to AP if you haven't already

xsp0rtsfanx - Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:07 pm
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there IS no class before ap is the problem. the only way i can teach myself is through tutorials on the internet and books. nothing else since the community college near me is on quarter systems and i believe they start after my high school does and i'll be too busy to go take the class so yea.. i pretty much will have to wait to take the AP class before i can do anything else

Cyan~Fire - Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:49 pm
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d1s wrote:

You should probably take an intro cs class before going to AP if you haven't already

Why? Just to waste more of your life being stupid?

Solid_Fire - Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:44 pm
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<-- Doesn't wanna waste life being stupid.

Solo Ace - Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:12 pm
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You must've had that thought for 15 years already.

Solid_Fire - Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:33 am
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actualy, only for about 2-3 years. i realized how important education was, and then i started caring....but this is all going off topic..

Purge - Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:45 am
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I don't think this is even in the right category...

Solid_Fire - Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:26 am
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That would be my bad heh.

D1st0rt - Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:41 am
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Cyan~Fire wrote:

Why? Just to waste more of your life being stupid?

No, but you'll do better in the class and on the exam if you have some basic background experience before taking it. At my school, we couldn't take IB Computer Science without first taking regular cs (which was good for me because I was in HL and probably wouldve failed if I didn't know how to program from the previous year). I ended up with a 7 though $$